1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:04,370 yes good morning everyone this morning's 2 00:00:08,200 --> 00:00:06,330 talk is by Bell bingston and it's 3 00:00:11,540 --> 00:00:08,210 entitled leaving the critics behind 4 00:00:14,990 --> 00:00:11,550 transit transitioning to pragmatic 5 00:00:17,210 --> 00:00:15,000 application of scientific anomalies so 6 00:00:19,670 --> 00:00:17,220 bill I think I'll give you a microphone 7 00:00:23,109 --> 00:00:19,680 no I got a mic oh okay I guess you want 8 00:00:28,609 --> 00:00:23,119 I won't throw my voice or something yeah 9 00:00:29,740 --> 00:00:28,619 fourth day huh it's buns of steel a week 10 00:00:31,189 --> 00:00:29,750 are we gonna make it through this thing 11 00:00:32,659 --> 00:00:31,199 okay 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:32,669 well I thought I'd make a couple of 13 00:00:36,139 --> 00:00:34,410 presidential comments that'll only take 14 00:00:38,930 --> 00:00:36,149 about ten seconds because I don't have 15 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:38,940 much presidential to say but I would 16 00:00:44,090 --> 00:00:41,489 like to talk about first a grand 17 00:00:46,369 --> 00:00:44,100 philosophical question I'm going to tell 18 00:00:48,950 --> 00:00:46,379 you an anecdote and then I'm going to 19 00:00:51,380 --> 00:00:48,960 transition to some current research that 20 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:51,390 I'm working on right now which I think 21 00:00:56,150 --> 00:00:53,489 will illustrate the transition to 22 00:00:58,340 --> 00:00:56,160 pragmatic applications and I'm going to 23 00:01:00,950 --> 00:00:58,350 encourage folks to start shifting a 24 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:00,960 mindset a little bit so first we'll 25 00:01:04,399 --> 00:01:02,250 start with a grand philosophical 26 00:01:08,210 --> 00:01:04,409 question that is of course was Dylan 27 00:01:09,950 --> 00:01:08,220 right my experience is you can find the 28 00:01:12,020 --> 00:01:09,960 answer to almost any question looking at 29 00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:12,030 Dylan's lyrics but in this particularly 30 00:01:16,910 --> 00:01:14,760 the question are the times are changing 31 00:01:20,749 --> 00:01:16,920 and and by the times of changing I'm 32 00:01:23,359 --> 00:01:20,759 talking about our people out there in 33 00:01:25,399 --> 00:01:23,369 the world in the real world becoming 34 00:01:26,929 --> 00:01:25,409 softer in their attitudes toward 35 00:01:30,590 --> 00:01:26,939 scientific anomalies and I would suggest 36 00:01:32,510 --> 00:01:30,600 to you that they are and the question 37 00:01:34,130 --> 00:01:32,520 would be why and that would be for a 38 00:01:36,469 --> 00:01:34,140 different talk if he gave me in a couple 39 00:01:38,569 --> 00:01:36,479 extra hours is it because the folks in 40 00:01:41,210 --> 00:01:38,579 this room and elsewhere have accumulated 41 00:01:45,770 --> 00:01:41,220 so much data that it's hit a critical 42 00:01:48,130 --> 00:01:45,780 mass I don't think so is it because 43 00:01:51,950 --> 00:01:48,140 science advances one funeral at a time 44 00:01:54,469 --> 00:01:51,960 that that's a possibility and I would 45 00:01:56,630 --> 00:01:54,479 argue that there's a change in the 46 00:01:59,179 --> 00:01:56,640 culture and the change in the culture 47 00:02:01,100 --> 00:01:59,189 the background assumptions the kind of 48 00:02:03,469 --> 00:02:01,110 faith-based assumptions that people have 49 00:02:05,959 --> 00:02:03,479 about the way the world works has been 50 00:02:07,459 --> 00:02:05,969 transitioning and that would be an 51 00:02:08,749 --> 00:02:07,469 interesting question for the sociology 52 00:02:11,570 --> 00:02:08,759 of knowledge but again that's not the 53 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:11,580 point here so I'd rather I can make it 54 00:02:16,069 --> 00:02:13,310 simpler by just telling an anecdote 55 00:02:18,559 --> 00:02:16,079 here's the anecdote a few months ago I 56 00:02:21,050 --> 00:02:18,569 was invited to give a talk to the 57 00:02:23,119 --> 00:02:21,060 startup Institute for venture science 58 00:02:24,380 --> 00:02:23,129 everybody in the SS he knows about that 59 00:02:27,860 --> 00:02:24,390 because I've sent out an email blast 60 00:02:29,209 --> 00:02:27,870 saying we got money anybody wanted me if 61 00:02:31,550 --> 00:02:29,219 the PA doesn't know about that I'd be 62 00:02:33,319 --> 00:02:31,560 happy to tell so the Institute for 63 00:02:35,330 --> 00:02:33,329 venture science is starting it out of 64 00:02:37,640 --> 00:02:35,340 the University of Washington and it's 65 00:02:39,140 --> 00:02:37,650 spearheaded by Jerry Pollock and the 66 00:02:41,720 --> 00:02:39,150 general idea is can we raise a lot of 67 00:02:43,970 --> 00:02:41,730 money get a big endowment and do 68 00:02:45,949 --> 00:02:43,980 multiple sites of the same question over 69 00:02:48,470 --> 00:02:45,959 multiple years and they have a very 70 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:48,480 humble goal of raising ten billion 71 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:50,370 dollars and that's probably more than 72 00:02:55,369 --> 00:02:53,400 most you carry with you today but so I 73 00:02:56,839 --> 00:02:55,379 was invited out there and and the 74 00:02:57,920 --> 00:02:56,849 general idea is we're gonna invite a 75 00:03:01,099 --> 00:02:57,930 bunch of people who have large 76 00:03:02,539 --> 00:03:01,109 checkbooks can they come here venture 77 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:02,549 science can be here interesting new 78 00:03:06,429 --> 00:03:04,530 stuff and will they write checks in 79 00:03:09,619 --> 00:03:06,439 support of that can we change the world 80 00:03:11,119 --> 00:03:09,629 that's really the idea so I was invited 81 00:03:13,129 --> 00:03:11,129 for better for worse to be one of the 82 00:03:15,289 --> 00:03:13,139 speakers at this thing but a hundred 83 00:03:19,449 --> 00:03:15,299 people are there I got to get off this 84 00:03:27,110 --> 00:03:23,539 different ages so most of the folks 85 00:03:29,210 --> 00:03:27,120 there were on the back end some folks 86 00:03:32,930 --> 00:03:29,220 were on the front end of the lifecycle 87 00:03:35,030 --> 00:03:32,940 and I went on and for a reasonably long 88 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:35,040 period of time talking about 35 years of 89 00:03:38,539 --> 00:03:37,290 healing research and all its promise and 90 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:38,549 all this kind of thing and I'm telling 91 00:03:42,619 --> 00:03:39,810 what I think a reasonably interesting 92 00:03:46,670 --> 00:03:42,629 phenomenon so for example just on this 93 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:46,680 one pardon me if I go analog does the 94 00:03:51,649 --> 00:03:49,650 State of Mind work does it matter 95 00:03:53,119 --> 00:03:51,659 and so I updated for this and I've data 96 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:53,129 for this and I have data for this and 97 00:03:55,849 --> 00:03:54,329 I've dead so I'm praying I'm presenting 98 00:03:58,250 --> 00:03:55,859 data and I'm overwhelming them with data 99 00:04:00,949 --> 00:03:58,260 and the older folks are flopping on the 100 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:00,959 floor they're excited but then I was 101 00:04:06,710 --> 00:04:04,370 assigned to a table of 12 year olds so 102 00:04:08,809 --> 00:04:06,720 under a certain age everybody looks 12 103 00:04:10,429 --> 00:04:08,819 to me so I was assigned to reach 12 year 104 00:04:12,979 --> 00:04:10,439 olds and they had little alligators and 105 00:04:15,199 --> 00:04:12,989 stuff and so they were sitting around a 106 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:15,209 table and I'm supposed to talk about the 107 00:04:18,740 --> 00:04:17,250 stuff and they're 12 and and so I'm 108 00:04:20,089 --> 00:04:18,750 saying well isn't that interesting and 109 00:04:22,670 --> 00:04:20,099 that interesting in that interesting and 110 00:04:25,310 --> 00:04:22,680 and so they they and then they looking 111 00:04:25,610 --> 00:04:25,320 at me blankly and they go yeah that's 112 00:04:32,420 --> 00:04:25,620 real 113 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:32,430 yeah isn't it obvious 114 00:04:36,260 --> 00:04:35,010 and I of course I've been working 35 115 00:04:37,670 --> 00:04:36,270 years trying to get this stuff that 116 00:04:39,350 --> 00:04:37,680 nailed down and they're going like you 117 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:39,360 know that's pretty boring and boy you're 118 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:44,130 old we know that this stuff is real 119 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:45,840 give me a break so the only question is 120 00:04:51,530 --> 00:04:50,010 what can you do with it I mean the stuff 121 00:04:53,300 --> 00:04:51,540 exists give me a break of course is 122 00:04:55,070 --> 00:04:53,310 healing of course is remote-viewing of 123 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:55,080 course you get consciousness akin to do 124 00:04:58,939 --> 00:04:57,210 give me a bold are you you know it's 125 00:05:00,980 --> 00:04:58,949 basically the question to me and I'm 126 00:05:04,159 --> 00:05:00,990 going well you know I'm getting older 127 00:05:05,390 --> 00:05:04,169 yeah but but but it was a clear 128 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:05,400 generation so they wonder what can you 129 00:05:09,680 --> 00:05:06,810 do with this the second thing is it can 130 00:05:11,390 --> 00:05:09,690 we experience it and that's their 131 00:05:14,180 --> 00:05:11,400 mindset so I'm going graphs charts 132 00:05:15,890 --> 00:05:14,190 things tables you know the protocol and 133 00:05:17,779 --> 00:05:15,900 they're going on yeah who cares give me 134 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:17,789 a break the stuffs obvious what are you 135 00:05:21,980 --> 00:05:20,490 going to do with it so what I'm going to 136 00:05:23,689 --> 00:05:21,990 do with it I said well you know I 137 00:05:25,370 --> 00:05:23,699 actually have a research protocol about 138 00:05:26,540 --> 00:05:25,380 that and I'm actually working on it 139 00:05:28,700 --> 00:05:26,550 right now the other stuff is more 140 00:05:30,140 --> 00:05:28,710 fundamental but can we develop practical 141 00:05:35,080 --> 00:05:30,150 applications I think it's a reasonable 142 00:05:37,190 --> 00:05:35,090 question and it appeals to younger folks 143 00:05:38,810 --> 00:05:37,200 after a certain age I don't know what it 144 00:05:45,170 --> 00:05:38,820 is but it can be investigated if we can 145 00:05:48,589 --> 00:05:45,180 get running seriously old like 40 so for 146 00:05:52,070 --> 00:05:48,599 today I want to say let's see can we do 147 00:05:54,409 --> 00:05:52,080 this can we other data that suggests 148 00:05:57,170 --> 00:05:54,419 healing can be stored and it can be 149 00:05:58,310 --> 00:05:57,180 applied and how do we solve that problem 150 00:06:00,379 --> 00:05:58,320 now I'm not going to give you the answer 151 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:00,389 I'm going to say here's what I'm working 152 00:06:10,219 --> 00:06:05,490 on can we build a killer app or a healer 153 00:06:12,409 --> 00:06:10,229 app can we deliver healing that's the 154 00:06:14,510 --> 00:06:12,419 question so I'm going to focus on some 155 00:06:17,659 --> 00:06:14,520 cancer stuff SSE folks have seen some of 156 00:06:20,270 --> 00:06:17,669 these before pH folks may not this is 157 00:06:22,339 --> 00:06:20,280 the nut I got my analog this is the 158 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:22,349 number of formal experiments on mammary 159 00:06:25,760 --> 00:06:24,570 cancer done at this is the number done 160 00:06:27,860 --> 00:06:25,770 at done at Donna 161 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:27,870 so all I'm trying to say is I've done a 162 00:06:31,370 --> 00:06:30,090 lot of stuff done a lot of work and I 163 00:06:35,270 --> 00:06:31,380 can show you some ugly pictures of 164 00:06:37,430 --> 00:06:35,280 animals and I've done other stuff an 165 00:06:39,230 --> 00:06:37,440 oncogenic and nude mice you know I mean 166 00:06:42,260 --> 00:06:39,240 most people don't think of mark 167 00:06:44,180 --> 00:06:42,270 I saw really related but Newton my score 168 00:06:45,529 --> 00:06:44,190 for a particular reason I've done a lot 169 00:06:49,550 --> 00:06:45,539 of different stuff in vivo and in vitro 170 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:49,560 and I'm gonna focus just very quickly on 171 00:06:54,499 --> 00:06:51,930 some of the data so we'll show you what 172 00:06:56,510 --> 00:06:54,509 is it that we're trying to record what 173 00:06:59,480 --> 00:06:56,520 is it we're trying to store and what is 174 00:07:02,120 --> 00:06:59,490 it we're trying to deliver so this is 175 00:07:04,189 --> 00:07:02,130 what are we trying to deliver details 176 00:07:06,559 --> 00:07:04,199 don't matter we're taking mice models 177 00:07:10,129 --> 00:07:06,569 that are off the shelf that have 178 00:07:12,050 --> 00:07:10,139 lifespan of about a month they die after 179 00:07:15,649 --> 00:07:12,060 about a month he inject them with cancer 180 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:15,659 they die so we have a mouse and the 181 00:07:19,939 --> 00:07:18,210 mouse and this is what happens and the 182 00:07:22,909 --> 00:07:19,949 tumor gets bigger it's an ugly way to 183 00:07:24,260 --> 00:07:22,919 die the the mouse dies from having its 184 00:07:25,339 --> 00:07:24,270 internal organs crushed and/or 185 00:07:28,460 --> 00:07:25,349 malnutrition 186 00:07:31,969 --> 00:07:28,470 it's very ugly work I don't know how 187 00:07:34,180 --> 00:07:31,979 else to do it so there's at least 2,000 188 00:07:37,159 --> 00:07:34,190 publications on this model alone 189 00:07:40,490 --> 00:07:37,169 everybody knows they die in a month so 190 00:07:41,659 --> 00:07:40,500 it's ugly oncology research you're 191 00:07:43,070 --> 00:07:41,669 trying to figure out how to get the 192 00:07:44,510 --> 00:07:43,080 lifespan longer all this kind of stuff 193 00:07:46,870 --> 00:07:44,520 rodents don't like it and they say you 194 00:07:49,790 --> 00:07:46,880 know give me a break 195 00:07:53,540 --> 00:07:49,800 make it stop I'm trying to make it stop 196 00:07:55,760 --> 00:07:53,550 so the answer it turns out is healing so 197 00:07:57,620 --> 00:07:55,770 you get Margaret MOCA took this picture 198 00:07:59,390 --> 00:07:57,630 and as Margaret will point out if you 199 00:08:03,110 --> 00:07:59,400 get really good-looking people to put 200 00:08:04,879 --> 00:08:03,120 their hands around a cage we never 201 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:04,889 figured that out did we why ugly people 202 00:08:08,959 --> 00:08:07,770 can't heal so if you get really 203 00:08:10,399 --> 00:08:08,969 good-looking people put their hands 204 00:08:12,140 --> 00:08:10,409 around the cage you do a particular 205 00:08:14,570 --> 00:08:12,150 healing technique which I'm not going to 206 00:08:18,589 --> 00:08:14,580 talk about now weird stuff happens and 207 00:08:21,620 --> 00:08:18,599 what happens is this the tumor grows the 208 00:08:26,839 --> 00:08:21,630 tumor grows the tumor starts to slit 209 00:08:28,939 --> 00:08:26,849 open the tumor opens and he was the 210 00:08:31,550 --> 00:08:28,949 kicker and the mice are cured for the 211 00:08:33,170 --> 00:08:31,560 life span now I'd like to point out 212 00:08:37,100 --> 00:08:33,180 something from a parapsychological point 213 00:08:39,670 --> 00:08:37,110 of view this is not PK healing doesn't 214 00:08:41,659 --> 00:08:39,680 happen the way I want it to this is not 215 00:08:44,329 --> 00:08:41,669 consciousness imposing its will on 216 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:44,339 nature I figured you know I get this 217 00:08:47,930 --> 00:08:46,110 stuff early and I go this is kind of a 218 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:47,940 thing to the mice and then they wouldn't 219 00:08:51,350 --> 00:08:49,770 get cancer because I'm you know the big 220 00:08:53,269 --> 00:08:51,360 radiator or something like that 221 00:08:56,329 --> 00:08:53,279 and and no matter what you do tumors 222 00:08:57,710 --> 00:08:56,339 grow and they go through this ugly 223 00:09:00,560 --> 00:08:57,720 transformation but the mouse is actually 224 00:09:02,690 --> 00:09:00,570 healthy and then the thing implodes so 225 00:09:06,710 --> 00:09:02,700 it's not going according to my will 226 00:09:09,759 --> 00:09:06,720 healing is not pk nature does nature and 227 00:09:15,889 --> 00:09:09,769 we're simply enabling nature to nature I 228 00:09:17,930 --> 00:09:15,899 don't know if that's natural so we can 229 00:09:19,610 --> 00:09:17,940 do this on any kind or different kinds 230 00:09:22,699 --> 00:09:19,620 it's a different kind of cancer just to 231 00:09:25,490 --> 00:09:22,709 show you the same idea external non 232 00:09:29,150 --> 00:09:25,500 metastatic tumor gets bigger and bigger 233 00:09:30,740 --> 00:09:29,160 and then if we do the stuff and doing 234 00:09:32,810 --> 00:09:30,750 the stuff it's not me incidentally I'm 235 00:09:35,210 --> 00:09:32,820 not a healer I get faculty members 236 00:09:39,949 --> 00:09:35,220 volunteers students anybody who's in 237 00:09:41,420 --> 00:09:39,959 experience can do this these mice they 238 00:09:43,819 --> 00:09:41,430 get cured in a couple of different ways 239 00:09:45,290 --> 00:09:43,829 we don't know why the first way you got 240 00:09:48,410 --> 00:09:45,300 a tumor and then it's like somebody lets 241 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:48,420 the air out and then the mystery is that 242 00:09:53,420 --> 00:09:50,250 an arrow appears to grow and it's back 243 00:09:56,750 --> 00:09:53,430 we don't know why it's the arrow I'm 244 00:09:59,180 --> 00:09:56,760 after and and other times you get this 245 00:10:00,620 --> 00:09:59,190 ulceration and it implodes and all that 246 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:00,630 kind of stuff and you can do this and 247 00:10:04,850 --> 00:10:02,250 you can tell once it's cured it's really 248 00:10:08,150 --> 00:10:04,860 cured for life we can do this with 249 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:08,160 people though they they whine when you 250 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:11,490 put them into cages and you can watch 251 00:10:18,160 --> 00:10:15,120 the the the whatever whatever the the 252 00:10:23,060 --> 00:10:18,170 medical test is you can watch it to cure 253 00:10:25,970 --> 00:10:23,070 so here's some of the questions can we 254 00:10:30,410 --> 00:10:25,980 reverse engineer this can we make it a 255 00:10:34,910 --> 00:10:30,420 practical application and can we sorry 256 00:10:37,910 --> 00:10:34,920 Ken can we make it scalable so can we 257 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:37,920 distribute this widely so healing isn't 258 00:10:45,920 --> 00:10:41,250 a treating B healing becomes a system 259 00:10:50,319 --> 00:10:45,930 and how do we engineer that system so 260 00:10:56,389 --> 00:10:54,769 should we make a gizmo now I'm not going 261 00:10:57,680 --> 00:10:56,399 to know I'm not going to give you the 262 00:10:58,910 --> 00:10:57,690 answer by the end of today because I 263 00:11:02,269 --> 00:10:58,920 don't know the answer I'm just showing 264 00:11:03,740 --> 00:11:02,279 you a line of research so in order to 265 00:11:04,870 --> 00:11:03,750 make this work you got to be able to 266 00:11:08,769 --> 00:11:04,880 store it 267 00:11:12,980 --> 00:11:08,779 and you got to be able to access it and 268 00:11:16,400 --> 00:11:12,990 the storing seems to occur in both 269 00:11:20,420 --> 00:11:16,410 biology and stuff stuff is a technical 270 00:11:22,970 --> 00:11:20,430 word so from biology and this is from a 271 00:11:24,560 --> 00:11:22,980 whole boatload of experiments no mouse 272 00:11:26,150 --> 00:11:24,570 has ever had a recurrence of cancer 273 00:11:29,690 --> 00:11:26,160 we're talking hundreds and hundreds of 274 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:29,700 mice they're immune to repeated 275 00:11:35,150 --> 00:11:32,130 reinjection z' of the cancer now that's 276 00:11:37,610 --> 00:11:35,160 reasonably interesting an infected mouse 277 00:11:40,970 --> 00:11:37,620 can be cured by cell transplantation 278 00:11:43,850 --> 00:11:40,980 from a treated Mouse that's reasonably 279 00:11:46,699 --> 00:11:43,860 interesting we can kill the cell line so 280 00:11:48,949 --> 00:11:46,709 it no longer seeds forward that's 281 00:11:51,440 --> 00:11:48,959 reasonably interesting and maybe who 282 00:11:52,389 --> 00:11:51,450 knows and this is speculation gotta get 283 00:11:56,389 --> 00:11:52,399 my pointer 284 00:11:58,400 --> 00:11:56,399 maybe it's an immune response maybe it's 285 00:12:01,760 --> 00:11:58,410 a cell signaling problem maybe it's I 286 00:12:03,650 --> 00:12:01,770 don't know but I can make a distinction 287 00:12:05,930 --> 00:12:03,660 here between basic questions I'd like to 288 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:05,940 know is the cancer being cured by mu not 289 00:12:09,680 --> 00:12:07,560 through immunology is it being cured 290 00:12:11,150 --> 00:12:09,690 through a B C or D these are basic 291 00:12:13,100 --> 00:12:11,160 questions but even if we don't have the 292 00:12:14,510 --> 00:12:13,110 answer to the basic questions can we 293 00:12:16,790 --> 00:12:14,520 reverse-engineer it anyway 294 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:16,800 I don't know how aspirin works but if 295 00:12:21,910 --> 00:12:19,890 you take it this happens so a basic 296 00:12:24,740 --> 00:12:21,920 question versus an applied question I 297 00:12:27,769 --> 00:12:24,750 I'm in favor of both but right now I'm 298 00:12:28,910 --> 00:12:27,779 seeing the applied question so even if 299 00:12:31,069 --> 00:12:28,920 you don't know what we're doing can we 300 00:12:35,389 --> 00:12:31,079 reverse engineer it so you can do this 301 00:12:37,790 --> 00:12:35,399 for example you take a mouse this mouse 302 00:12:42,019 --> 00:12:37,800 has been treated by the by the healing 303 00:12:43,819 --> 00:12:42,029 stuff and you take some cells you take 304 00:12:47,060 --> 00:12:43,829 some blood you put it in an untreated 305 00:12:49,389 --> 00:12:47,070 mouse with no healing and you'll cure it 306 00:12:51,769 --> 00:12:49,399 now that's reasonably interesting 307 00:12:53,930 --> 00:12:51,779 something's going on biologically that 308 00:12:57,710 --> 00:12:53,940 stores it and it apparently could be 309 00:13:00,050 --> 00:12:57,720 passed from mammal to mammal it can be 310 00:13:02,030 --> 00:13:00,060 passed from cell to cell can we turn 311 00:13:03,620 --> 00:13:02,040 that into something that can be applied 312 00:13:07,670 --> 00:13:03,630 even if we don't understand everything 313 00:13:10,639 --> 00:13:07,680 that's going on that's the question so 314 00:13:13,340 --> 00:13:10,649 what happens if we apply healing to 315 00:13:15,439 --> 00:13:13,350 materials so I'm going to give you just 316 00:13:17,810 --> 00:13:15,449 some real quick stuff on cell medium 317 00:13:18,940 --> 00:13:17,820 these are other experiments and treated 318 00:13:21,710 --> 00:13:18,950 water 319 00:13:25,250 --> 00:13:21,720 so what happens if instead of treating 320 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:25,260 cage of mice you treat a bunch of cell 321 00:13:31,490 --> 00:13:27,810 media so this is the stuff in which 322 00:13:33,680 --> 00:13:31,500 cells are going to be grown well it 323 00:13:36,350 --> 00:13:33,690 turns out that if you apply this the 324 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:36,360 treated cell media to cells stuff 325 00:13:41,060 --> 00:13:38,610 happens and I'm talking not subtle stuff 326 00:13:44,210 --> 00:13:41,070 happens on the order of depends on the 327 00:13:45,740 --> 00:13:44,220 experiment six hundred percent change so 328 00:13:49,330 --> 00:13:45,750 these are not little teeny subtle 329 00:13:52,970 --> 00:13:49,340 effects what happens if you treat water 330 00:13:56,930 --> 00:13:52,980 well if you treat water and you give the 331 00:13:59,510 --> 00:13:56,940 water to mice the mice get cured now 332 00:14:04,540 --> 00:13:59,520 that's reasonably interesting also so 333 00:14:06,740 --> 00:14:04,550 what's happening to the water but and 334 00:14:08,570 --> 00:14:06,750 here comes the difference between the 335 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:08,580 basic question and the applied question 336 00:14:16,970 --> 00:14:12,450 on a basic level is that immunology is 337 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:16,980 it is it is it is it basic question 338 00:14:20,210 --> 00:14:17,970 wants to know what's the pattern what's 339 00:14:23,240 --> 00:14:20,220 going on we have methodological 340 00:14:26,750 --> 00:14:23,250 confounds and resonant bonding resonant 341 00:14:30,560 --> 00:14:26,760 bonding means that in our experiments 342 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:30,570 mice seem to get bonded if I treat one 343 00:14:39,380 --> 00:14:36,500 physically separate mice seem to get 344 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:39,390 better if they're in our experiment now 345 00:14:44,690 --> 00:14:41,610 I could segue this into a discussion of 346 00:14:47,450 --> 00:14:44,700 a placebos different different talk and 347 00:14:51,620 --> 00:14:47,460 I'm reasonably certain that I understand 348 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:51,630 that placebos are not psychological of a 349 00:14:55,100 --> 00:14:53,370 sequence of experiments that'll that'll 350 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:55,110 parse this out but I'm reasonably 351 00:14:58,970 --> 00:14:57,210 certain see placebos are psychological 352 00:15:01,130 --> 00:14:58,980 they're an actual physical resonant 353 00:15:04,100 --> 00:15:01,140 bonding between spatially separate 354 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:04,110 groups if I take a group of people and I 355 00:15:08,060 --> 00:15:05,970 have half here you got a half chance to 356 00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,070 get in the stimulus you folks have a 357 00:15:12,590 --> 00:15:10,320 half chance of getting a stimulus and I 358 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:12,600 give you a stimulus everybody's going to 359 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:15,090 be affected and the larger the group the 360 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:17,130 stronger the effect will be and I can go 361 00:15:21,230 --> 00:15:18,690 into all sorts of stuff about placebos 362 00:15:25,190 --> 00:15:21,240 about that it's interesting it happens 363 00:15:26,510 --> 00:15:25,200 in our experiments so some people call 364 00:15:27,770 --> 00:15:26,520 this entanglement I don't like 365 00:15:31,340 --> 00:15:27,780 entanglement 366 00:15:31,970 --> 00:15:31,350 I like resonant bonding so if I take a 367 00:15:34,040 --> 00:15:31,980 bunch of 368 00:15:36,020 --> 00:15:34,050 mice and some become randomly controls 369 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:36,030 and some become other controls and some 370 00:15:39,530 --> 00:15:38,130 become and some become it seems that a 371 00:15:42,290 --> 00:15:39,540 treatment to one is a treatment to all 372 00:15:45,260 --> 00:15:42,300 and it's an interesting basic question 373 00:15:47,570 --> 00:15:45,270 how organisms become bonded that's not 374 00:15:49,910 --> 00:15:47,580 the point here it's simply saying that 375 00:15:52,340 --> 00:15:49,920 for our purposes today they do become 376 00:15:53,810 --> 00:15:52,350 bonded they can become bonded and the 377 00:15:56,780 --> 00:15:53,820 patterns are pretty interesting in and 378 00:15:58,610 --> 00:15:56,790 of themselves now if you if you bond 379 00:16:00,680 --> 00:15:58,620 groups let's say you're doing 380 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:00,690 traditional pharmacology and I'm testing 381 00:16:05,450 --> 00:16:03,930 drug X and so half the people are 382 00:16:07,430 --> 00:16:05,460 getting the drug and half the people are 383 00:16:09,590 --> 00:16:07,440 getting a placebo well what happens if 384 00:16:11,660 --> 00:16:09,600 the people get in the placebo are also 385 00:16:13,910 --> 00:16:11,670 bonded to the people getting the active 386 00:16:15,230 --> 00:16:13,920 drug and they all have an effect will 387 00:16:16,660 --> 00:16:15,240 the end of that study there's going to 388 00:16:19,700 --> 00:16:16,670 be no difference between the two groups 389 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:19,710 when act in actuality both groups have 390 00:16:24,950 --> 00:16:22,710 been treated if you come to the 391 00:16:26,330 --> 00:16:24,960 statistical conclusion if there's no 392 00:16:28,580 --> 00:16:26,340 difference between the two and therefore 393 00:16:30,980 --> 00:16:28,590 and you'll say well therefore nothing 394 00:16:33,590 --> 00:16:30,990 happened that's a type two error for use 395 00:16:35,030 --> 00:16:33,600 statistical yees so it's called you 396 00:16:37,190 --> 00:16:35,040 thought nothing happened because 397 00:16:39,410 --> 00:16:37,200 something happened everywhere what 398 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:39,420 happens if all of mice are cured and no 399 00:16:43,040 --> 00:16:41,370 mouse has ever been cured before what 400 00:16:44,930 --> 00:16:43,050 happens if all of my secured you say I'm 401 00:16:46,190 --> 00:16:44,940 nothing happened because there's no 402 00:16:48,950 --> 00:16:46,200 difference weenus than that so I'm sorry 403 00:16:52,220 --> 00:16:48,960 everybody got cured nothing there was no 404 00:16:54,350 --> 00:16:52,230 effect that's a type two error so a 405 00:16:57,890 --> 00:16:54,360 quick example here down-and-dirty 406 00:17:00,170 --> 00:16:57,900 pointer volunteers treating cages 407 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:00,180 treating cages treating cages hundred 408 00:17:04,010 --> 00:17:02,130 meters at least a control that nobody 409 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:04,020 who knows the technique has seen second 410 00:17:08,780 --> 00:17:06,330 controls not even known I mean people 411 00:17:12,170 --> 00:17:08,790 play tricks on each other and other labs 412 00:17:17,770 --> 00:17:12,180 going on not connected to our research 413 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:17,780 but same cancer all of ours are cured 414 00:17:23,780 --> 00:17:22,530 this drives incidentally Rupert crazy he 415 00:17:26,420 --> 00:17:23,790 and I have been going after each other 416 00:17:29,330 --> 00:17:26,430 for 15 years so I love his ideas but it 417 00:17:32,030 --> 00:17:29,340 don't quite apply to this the the 418 00:17:34,310 --> 00:17:32,040 connection the the resonance is a little 419 00:17:36,620 --> 00:17:34,320 bit more selective than a generic if you 420 00:17:37,910 --> 00:17:36,630 go to a general field effect then 421 00:17:41,030 --> 00:17:37,920 everything in between would have been 422 00:17:43,430 --> 00:17:41,040 affected this is not a field effect of 423 00:17:46,600 --> 00:17:43,440 this I mean like again I got gobs of 424 00:17:51,009 --> 00:17:46,610 data healing is not a field effect 425 00:17:53,419 --> 00:17:51,019 so the resonant bonds appear to be fluid 426 00:17:54,919 --> 00:17:53,429 you can make bonds you can break bonds 427 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:54,929 everybody here has felt a connection to 428 00:17:58,850 --> 00:17:56,490 something everybody's felt a lack of 429 00:18:00,680 --> 00:17:58,860 connection to something I connect to the 430 00:18:02,810 --> 00:18:00,690 table I love this table then tomorrow I 431 00:18:06,139 --> 00:18:02,820 hate this table what changed not the 432 00:18:08,350 --> 00:18:06,149 table the bond I have to the table and 433 00:18:10,669 --> 00:18:08,360 now just same thing with my goldfish 434 00:18:14,990 --> 00:18:10,679 which is harder because because I don't 435 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:15,000 have one but it's so from a basic point 436 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:18,210 of view it's a really good series of 437 00:18:23,090 --> 00:18:21,090 questions why did the water do it was it 438 00:18:25,100 --> 00:18:23,100 the water itself or was it resonant 439 00:18:28,820 --> 00:18:25,110 bonding was it or was it resonant 440 00:18:31,220 --> 00:18:28,830 bonding these are basic questions but 441 00:18:33,889 --> 00:18:31,230 the bottom line is whether we understand 442 00:18:36,230 --> 00:18:33,899 the mechanism how I got from A to B the 443 00:18:38,029 --> 00:18:36,240 damn stuff still gets cured and can I 444 00:18:39,289 --> 00:18:38,039 reverse engineer it so again I'm making 445 00:18:42,799 --> 00:18:39,299 the difference between a basic question 446 00:18:46,159 --> 00:18:42,809 and an applied question basic questions 447 00:18:48,499 --> 00:18:46,169 are important like questions let's pay a 448 00:18:50,090 --> 00:18:48,509 little more attention to them so 449 00:18:51,919 --> 00:18:50,100 basically I don't know how this stuff 450 00:18:54,889 --> 00:18:51,929 happens was it the treated water or was 451 00:18:58,430 --> 00:18:54,899 it resonant bonding I don't know but the 452 00:19:00,379 --> 00:18:58,440 question remains can we store it even if 453 00:19:02,690 --> 00:19:00,389 we don't understand it and can we 454 00:19:06,529 --> 00:19:02,700 reproduce the effect and can we scale it 455 00:19:09,470 --> 00:19:06,539 up reasonable question here's from my 456 00:19:11,779 --> 00:19:09,480 partners in crime John McMichael who 457 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:11,789 will speak in the afternoon is doing the 458 00:19:16,190 --> 00:19:15,570 biological stuff his data you come back 459 00:19:18,919 --> 00:19:16,200 this afternoon 460 00:19:22,369 --> 00:19:18,929 you're gonna flop on the floor his stuff 461 00:19:24,379 --> 00:19:22,379 is so he's one of my partners in crime 462 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:24,389 he may be arrested before he gets up 463 00:19:30,649 --> 00:19:26,730 here my other partner in crime will also 464 00:19:32,299 --> 00:19:30,659 be talking right after me Dean thinks 465 00:19:34,310 --> 00:19:32,309 I'm crazy keeps taking my temperature I 466 00:19:36,139 --> 00:19:34,320 don't know what that's about so you know 467 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:36,149 when I saw I come in there I make a sin 468 00:19:40,999 --> 00:19:38,129 and he goes up to open your mouth 469 00:19:43,850 --> 00:19:41,009 because he is sick lovely blip you know 470 00:19:46,159 --> 00:19:43,860 like that so one has an obsession with a 471 00:19:48,529 --> 00:19:46,169 thermometer and one but anyway so we do 472 00:19:49,850 --> 00:19:48,539 the physics and engineering and we do 473 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:49,860 the biology and we're trying to figure 474 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:53,730 this out so if we think about this it 475 00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:56,369 seems the biological has a lot going for 476 00:19:59,360 --> 00:19:57,840 it you can take stuff out you can 477 00:20:03,860 --> 00:19:59,370 transplant it and it'll 478 00:20:07,010 --> 00:20:03,870 reproduce the cure but yeah what if what 479 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:07,020 if we make a cancer vaccine does that 480 00:20:12,650 --> 00:20:08,760 sound like a good thing I mean I'm not 481 00:20:14,240 --> 00:20:12,660 being facetious and from a basic science 482 00:20:15,890 --> 00:20:14,250 perspective yet it's a wonderful thing 483 00:20:18,890 --> 00:20:15,900 but then what would I do with it 484 00:20:20,690 --> 00:20:18,900 so I think I'll go to the FDA and go hey 485 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:20,700 I did some hocus-pocus and now I have a 486 00:20:24,590 --> 00:20:22,650 cancer vaccine you know can I do you 487 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:24,600 mind if I inject this into everybody you 488 00:20:30,110 --> 00:20:27,809 know and they'll go oh please you know 489 00:20:32,570 --> 00:20:30,120 by all means and and so there may be a 490 00:20:36,310 --> 00:20:32,580 roadblock or two if the solution becomes 491 00:20:39,770 --> 00:20:36,320 biological however what happens if it's 492 00:20:43,820 --> 00:20:39,780 what if we can record it and play it 493 00:20:46,790 --> 00:20:43,830 back and it reproduces that that would 494 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:46,800 be kind of cool yes so what has more 495 00:20:50,419 --> 00:20:48,570 likelihood of succeeding probably the 496 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:50,429 biological which is cooler the physical 497 00:20:58,940 --> 00:20:55,530 because if we get a healer app and we 498 00:21:01,600 --> 00:20:58,950 upload it into the cloud and now we can 499 00:21:03,610 --> 00:21:01,610 say we don't understand how it works but 500 00:21:06,100 --> 00:21:03,620 you want to be cured 501 00:21:09,410 --> 00:21:06,110 we're okay what do you do or you don't 502 00:21:12,250 --> 00:21:09,420 go ahead criticize the methodology and 503 00:21:14,750 --> 00:21:12,260 so this is where I'm shooting for first 504 00:21:18,290 --> 00:21:14,760 so the physical solution is more 505 00:21:20,270 --> 00:21:18,300 scalable it's more easy the FDA can't do 506 00:21:22,669 --> 00:21:20,280 anything let's let's start to upload 507 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:22,679 some cures into the cloud and see what 508 00:21:26,390 --> 00:21:24,210 happens and give it away would it be fun 509 00:21:29,180 --> 00:21:26,400 undermining industry apologies to any 510 00:21:32,360 --> 00:21:29,190 oncologist here so here's how we're 511 00:21:34,340 --> 00:21:32,370 starting we're using cotton 512 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:34,350 well we've also used a little water and 513 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:36,570 sometimes crystals but the question is 514 00:21:40,669 --> 00:21:38,640 well the reason for cotton is 515 00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:40,679 anecdotally and also experimentally 516 00:21:44,360 --> 00:21:42,570 going back to the great grad at McGill 517 00:21:47,150 --> 00:21:44,370 University a half-century ago 518 00:21:51,530 --> 00:21:47,160 cotton seems to be a very good storage 519 00:21:52,610 --> 00:21:51,540 vehicle basic question why what happens 520 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:52,620 if you put it under an electron 521 00:21:58,100 --> 00:21:54,809 microscope what happens if all basic 522 00:22:00,350 --> 00:21:58,110 questions but cotton seems to work now I 523 00:22:02,510 --> 00:22:00,360 go to the practical so if I take a piece 524 00:22:04,310 --> 00:22:02,520 of cotton and do whatever and then Mark 525 00:22:06,710 --> 00:22:04,320 takes it and he gives it to Roger and 526 00:22:08,210 --> 00:22:06,720 then Roger cuts and gives it and and so 527 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:08,220 we got anecdote upon anecdote that 528 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:10,410 cotton is interesting and we have some 529 00:22:13,460 --> 00:22:11,770 pretty interesting 530 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:13,470 data of coming grad at McGill University 531 00:22:18,570 --> 00:22:16,090 that cotton seems to be very very good 532 00:22:21,090 --> 00:22:18,580 at storing so the question is if we 533 00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:21,100 start putzing with cotton and we're 534 00:22:29,370 --> 00:22:22,330 hoping we're asking the right questions 535 00:22:33,630 --> 00:22:29,380 can biology recognize charge cotton can 536 00:22:35,820 --> 00:22:33,640 gizmos recognize charge cotton so if I 537 00:22:38,340 --> 00:22:35,830 charge cotton and I put it in your 538 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:38,350 biological stuff will they know can they 539 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:39,490 tell the difference being charged and 540 00:22:44,580 --> 00:22:40,930 uncharged and then of course can we 541 00:22:46,170 --> 00:22:44,590 extract the stuff can get Mo's recognize 542 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:46,180 charge cotton and Dean's can address 543 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:46,690 that 544 00:22:52,410 --> 00:22:51,010 he's the gizmo guy and does it make a 545 00:22:55,290 --> 00:22:52,420 difference and this is a methodological 546 00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:55,300 question if there's a healing need see I 547 00:22:58,380 --> 00:22:56,710 don't think healing is pk 548 00:23:00,930 --> 00:22:58,390 I think healing comes from the Healey 549 00:23:02,490 --> 00:23:00,940 and it depends on the idiosyncratic 550 00:23:04,500 --> 00:23:02,500 needs of the moment which is why you 551 00:23:06,570 --> 00:23:04,510 want to do cotton rather than what 552 00:23:08,090 --> 00:23:06,580 happens between healer and Healey what 553 00:23:10,020 --> 00:23:08,100 happens when the healer in Helius is 554 00:23:11,550 --> 00:23:10,030 interesting but not relevant to this 555 00:23:14,790 --> 00:23:11,560 because that depends on the 556 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:14,800 idiosyncrasies of the Healey cotton 557 00:23:19,770 --> 00:23:17,290 seems to be universal donor you want to 558 00:23:21,570 --> 00:23:19,780 find out what happens take cotton find 559 00:23:23,210 --> 00:23:21,580 out what it is give it to someone and 560 00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:23,220 then do a subtraction problem 561 00:23:27,810 --> 00:23:25,120 technically very difficult but 562 00:23:29,700 --> 00:23:27,820 conceptually I think it makes sense so 563 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:29,710 healing seems to happen if there's a 564 00:23:33,180 --> 00:23:31,420 need I got experiments with functional 565 00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:33,190 MRIs and EEG s and all that stuff 566 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:34,960 showing that the healing happens 567 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:36,550 virtually automatically regardless of 568 00:23:39,390 --> 00:23:38,050 your state of mind you don't need to get 569 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:39,400 into a particular state of mind to heal 570 00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:41,950 you just have to okay take it take 571 00:23:50,550 --> 00:23:45,340 whatever you need but it depends on the 572 00:23:51,690 --> 00:23:50,560 need is there a need so needs seems to 573 00:23:54,690 --> 00:23:51,700 matter I'm going to show you just 574 00:23:58,560 --> 00:23:54,700 something really interesting sidebar 575 00:24:01,350 --> 00:23:58,570 here in my experiments mice and cells 576 00:24:03,350 --> 00:24:01,360 but mice will go to your left hand 577 00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:03,360 everybody this is an interesting sidebar 578 00:24:09,990 --> 00:24:05,650 everybody in my healing technique 579 00:24:11,330 --> 00:24:10,000 becomes left-handed curious but worth 580 00:24:14,700 --> 00:24:11,340 exploring 581 00:24:17,139 --> 00:24:14,710 everybody's left-handed by the end of 582 00:24:19,209 --> 00:24:17,149 learning how to cure 583 00:24:22,329 --> 00:24:19,219 so the mites will also go to your left 584 00:24:24,159 --> 00:24:22,339 hand but only if there's a need little 585 00:24:26,409 --> 00:24:24,169 kids will do this two dogs will do this 586 00:24:27,519 --> 00:24:26,419 cats will do this so if you hold out 587 00:24:29,619 --> 00:24:27,529 your hands they're going to go to a 588 00:24:30,759 --> 00:24:29,629 particular spot on your left hand and it 589 00:24:33,099 --> 00:24:30,769 doesn't make any difference really what 590 00:24:34,899 --> 00:24:33,109 you have so here's an example we spin 591 00:24:37,180 --> 00:24:34,909 the cage mice don't like that and then 592 00:24:38,499 --> 00:24:37,190 you put your hands down and they'll go 593 00:24:39,539 --> 00:24:38,509 to this spot and I'll actually take 594 00:24:41,769 --> 00:24:39,549 turns 595 00:24:44,049 --> 00:24:41,779 once they're cured they don't have no 596 00:24:45,279 --> 00:24:44,059 interest in you whatsoever nor have I 597 00:24:48,399 --> 00:24:45,289 ever gotten to thank you note from a 598 00:24:51,029 --> 00:24:48,409 mouse which is probably appropriate 599 00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:51,039 because I gave them the cancer but it is 600 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:53,960 so so this is this is actually what 601 00:24:57,549 --> 00:24:55,129 happens and it doesn't make a difference 602 00:24:58,989 --> 00:24:57,559 what kind of Mouse you're doing what 603 00:25:01,899 --> 00:24:58,999 kind of cancer you're doing so this 604 00:25:05,649 --> 00:25:01,909 works with cancer a cancer be cancer see 605 00:25:08,409 --> 00:25:05,659 kid a kid be kid see dog a dog be dog 606 00:25:10,539 --> 00:25:08,419 see everybody but adults can recognize 607 00:25:12,459 --> 00:25:10,549 that healing is a left hand phenomenon 608 00:25:17,529 --> 00:25:12,469 and that they know when to go for it if 609 00:25:18,879 --> 00:25:17,539 they need it if you're old and you start 610 00:25:20,499 --> 00:25:18,889 to learn what you're supposed to do 611 00:25:24,310 --> 00:25:20,509 rather than paying attention to what 612 00:25:27,039 --> 00:25:24,320 naturally happens so here are some 613 00:25:29,079 --> 00:25:27,049 studies with Cottonelle these are all 614 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:29,089 pilots these are all preliminary and 615 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:32,450 we're seeing what happens so we did as 616 00:25:39,159 --> 00:25:35,690 we taped some cotton to the bottom of a 617 00:25:40,329 --> 00:25:39,169 mouse cage we don't know the dose we 618 00:25:41,649 --> 00:25:40,339 don't know how big the cotton should be 619 00:25:43,450 --> 00:25:41,659 we don't know how long it should live 620 00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:43,460 there we should we don't we don't know I 621 00:25:47,259 --> 00:25:44,809 mean we don't know a lot of stuff but 622 00:25:51,070 --> 00:25:47,269 just throw in cotton at the mouse what 623 00:25:53,739 --> 00:25:51,080 happens it did not cure the mice so just 624 00:25:55,479 --> 00:25:53,749 throwing cotton at the mice now we have 625 00:25:57,399 --> 00:25:55,489 some questions about dose we have some 626 00:25:59,169 --> 00:25:57,409 questions about size we have some quell 627 00:26:01,839 --> 00:25:59,179 mean we have a lot of questions but at 628 00:26:03,940 --> 00:26:01,849 least in our prelim didn't work so the 629 00:26:06,519 --> 00:26:03,950 the invivo stuff the right all out of 630 00:26:08,889 --> 00:26:06,529 the gate can do animals the cancerous 631 00:26:11,109 --> 00:26:08,899 animals recognize charge cotton if the 632 00:26:14,019 --> 00:26:11,119 recognition of charge cotton is is 633 00:26:16,060 --> 00:26:14,029 operationalized by are you cured no we 634 00:26:19,180 --> 00:26:16,070 didn't get a cure yet hopefully we'll 635 00:26:22,479 --> 00:26:19,190 get a cure down the road if we do this 636 00:26:25,509 --> 00:26:22,489 to sell cell growth and this is with no 637 00:26:29,889 --> 00:26:25,519 healing need details don't matter and we 638 00:26:30,700 --> 00:26:29,899 just kind of tape cotton to cells and we 639 00:26:34,090 --> 00:26:30,710 do 640 00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:34,100 they grow differently no healing need no 641 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:37,970 difference and frankly if you're into 642 00:26:42,850 --> 00:26:40,730 the mindset of does need there be a 643 00:26:43,930 --> 00:26:42,860 healing need that kind of makes sense if 644 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,940 you don't need anything what are you 645 00:26:47,860 --> 00:26:46,640 taking what's the point so cells grow 646 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:47,870 but they don't really care whether 647 00:26:56,350 --> 00:26:50,330 Cotton's there but what if there's a 648 00:27:02,139 --> 00:26:56,360 need what if we wound them and then put 649 00:27:05,669 --> 00:27:02,149 cotton and here you have effects so 650 00:27:10,419 --> 00:27:05,679 cells use is very loose conceptually 651 00:27:14,950 --> 00:27:10,429 cells with a need can recognize what a 652 00:27:17,799 --> 00:27:14,960 cotton is charged or not cells without a 653 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:17,809 need can't tell whether cotton is 654 00:27:24,220 --> 00:27:23,450 charged or not and the details here I'm 655 00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:24,230 just saying 656 00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:26,690 stuff happens details you know will work 657 00:27:31,690 --> 00:27:28,450 out and all that kind of thing 658 00:27:35,230 --> 00:27:31,700 healing need what happens if we take 659 00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:35,240 Yuman breast cancer and expose them to 660 00:27:40,090 --> 00:27:38,210 charge cotton is there any change so we 661 00:27:43,180 --> 00:27:40,100 let's start moving down and seeing what 662 00:27:45,370 --> 00:27:43,190 what happens here well it turns out six 663 00:27:49,210 --> 00:27:45,380 genes have significant changes they can 664 00:27:52,779 --> 00:27:49,220 recognize whether cotton is charged now 665 00:27:55,149 --> 00:27:52,789 that's reasonably interesting so you put 666 00:27:57,159 --> 00:27:55,159 regular old cotton off the shelf and and 667 00:28:00,970 --> 00:27:57,169 you know that's fine but if you put 668 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:00,980 cotton charged cotton to a cell a cancer 669 00:28:08,110 --> 00:28:04,490 cell it it responds so the witness if 670 00:28:10,360 --> 00:28:08,120 you will is a cell in need the cells not 671 00:28:13,180 --> 00:28:10,370 need seems less likely to be able to 672 00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:13,190 witness whether or not healing is being 673 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:18,320 offered reasonably interesting so now we 674 00:28:21,340 --> 00:28:19,730 can turn the question which I'm only 675 00:28:23,919 --> 00:28:21,350 going to skirt very quickly here because 676 00:28:25,810 --> 00:28:23,929 beans going to take it up is there a 677 00:28:28,029 --> 00:28:25,820 detectable difference in the signal 678 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:28,039 between treated and untreated cotton so 679 00:28:32,139 --> 00:28:29,690 now instead of looking at can a cell 680 00:28:33,639 --> 00:28:32,149 recognize it or can a mouse recognize it 681 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:33,649 now the question is can a gizmo 682 00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:37,220 recognize it the gizmos can gizmos tell 683 00:28:42,340 --> 00:28:40,159 whether cotton or water or crystals have 684 00:28:44,499 --> 00:28:42,350 been charged or not and then of course 685 00:28:45,999 --> 00:28:44,509 the follow-up would be can we catch 686 00:28:47,649 --> 00:28:46,009 sure it and can we see if we can 687 00:28:53,589 --> 00:28:47,659 reproduce it with the the thing we 688 00:28:55,989 --> 00:28:53,599 capture so here we bring out the 18 so 689 00:28:58,569 --> 00:28:55,999 fortunately in ions we had superheroes 690 00:29:02,199 --> 00:28:58,579 present and and this did look like a job 691 00:29:05,049 --> 00:29:02,209 for Superman and so that became the the 692 00:29:06,189 --> 00:29:05,059 the situation out there we sometimes we 693 00:29:09,969 --> 00:29:06,199 have fun you know even though we're 694 00:29:11,619 --> 00:29:09,979 doing research so I'm just gonna gloss 695 00:29:13,619 --> 00:29:11,629 over this right quickly cuz Dean's gonna 696 00:29:16,930 --> 00:29:13,629 be focused on it but we've got his 697 00:29:19,029 --> 00:29:16,940 shielded cage in which we put cotton in 698 00:29:25,269 --> 00:29:19,039 which we charge cotton in which we do 699 00:29:27,069 --> 00:29:25,279 various things and I leave you and not 700 00:29:29,309 --> 00:29:27,079 leave you but here's the question does 701 00:29:33,309 --> 00:29:29,319 it matter whether the detector is alive 702 00:29:35,619 --> 00:29:33,319 so Dean's going to talk about gizmos the 703 00:29:37,689 --> 00:29:35,629 gizmos presumably aren't alive in the 704 00:29:38,889 --> 00:29:37,699 way we usually think about life cells 705 00:29:41,199 --> 00:29:38,899 are alive and the way we think about 706 00:29:46,419 --> 00:29:41,209 life but it's not just cells or no sells 707 00:29:50,019 --> 00:29:46,429 it sells in need mice and need biology 708 00:29:51,369 --> 00:29:50,029 and need as the detector so does it 709 00:29:53,019 --> 00:29:51,379 matter whether the detector is alive 710 00:29:56,829 --> 00:29:53,029 it's a reasonably interesting question 711 00:29:58,569 --> 00:29:56,839 now we're talking about can we record 712 00:30:00,939 --> 00:29:58,579 and I'm glossing over this because Dean 713 00:30:03,489 --> 00:30:00,949 I'll do the details but he's got a 714 00:30:06,819 --> 00:30:03,499 gazillion it's a real number a gazillion 715 00:30:08,439 --> 00:30:06,829 detectors in his cage detecting a 716 00:30:10,749 --> 00:30:08,449 variety of things which I can leave for 717 00:30:13,539 --> 00:30:10,759 him to describe detecting a variety of 718 00:30:16,329 --> 00:30:13,549 things and basically the plot is here's 719 00:30:20,649 --> 00:30:16,339 some cotton so if we're in there charged 720 00:30:24,819 --> 00:30:20,659 in cotton and he's got every detector on 721 00:30:28,569 --> 00:30:24,829 the planet going can we take that 722 00:30:32,109 --> 00:30:28,579 recording and play that recording to 723 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:32,119 cells in need can we play that recording 724 00:30:38,579 --> 00:30:36,409 to mice in need will that reproduce the 725 00:30:40,779 --> 00:30:38,589 phenomenon and that becomes the question 726 00:30:43,869 --> 00:30:40,789 know the odds of us getting in the first 727 00:30:45,639 --> 00:30:43,879 run you know I'm great but and so will 728 00:30:47,289 --> 00:30:45,649 exposure to these recordings so we've 729 00:30:48,519 --> 00:30:47,299 made our first recording so I'm going to 730 00:30:49,739 --> 00:30:48,529 just tell you something real quick I 731 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:49,749 still got a couple minutes 732 00:30:53,299 --> 00:30:51,210 the 733 00:30:55,250 --> 00:30:53,309 I'm gonna offer Dean and I are both 734 00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,260 gonna offer this to anybody who wants to 735 00:30:58,880 --> 00:30:57,179 hear the recording so at lunch we 736 00:31:01,279 --> 00:30:58,890 normally have lunch from 12:30 to 2:00 737 00:31:02,990 --> 00:31:01,289 we're gonna set this thing up so if you 738 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:03,000 want to hear some of our recordings and 739 00:31:08,750 --> 00:31:05,370 see if you stop flopping on the floor if 740 00:31:09,950 --> 00:31:08,760 in and we're gonna play it at 1:30 so if 741 00:31:12,139 --> 00:31:09,960 you come back it you want to come back 742 00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:12,149 in half hour early from lunch you can 743 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:13,529 experience we're gonna put them over the 744 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:15,450 big speakers and you know we probably 745 00:31:20,450 --> 00:31:17,850 lose happier but you know it's for 746 00:31:22,850 --> 00:31:20,460 science but so if you want to hear this 747 00:31:24,169 --> 00:31:22,860 that they will see if we have any 748 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:24,179 miracle cures and all that kind of stuff 749 00:31:27,649 --> 00:31:26,250 so the question is will exposure to 750 00:31:30,380 --> 00:31:27,659 these recordings reproduce the 751 00:31:31,909 --> 00:31:30,390 biological responses so it's pretty 752 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:31,919 exciting we're starting to play people 753 00:31:35,990 --> 00:31:33,450 are flopping on the floor but we have 754 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:36,000 not yet done a formal study on whether 755 00:31:40,970 --> 00:31:37,890 the recordings will reproduce this in 756 00:31:42,260 --> 00:31:40,980 cells or animals with need and will it 757 00:31:45,019 --> 00:31:42,270 make a difference whether they have need 758 00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:45,029 or not need that's starting in I hope we 759 00:31:52,519 --> 00:31:46,980 hope early September we should have the 760 00:31:55,159 --> 00:31:52,529 answer by the end of October something 761 00:31:57,019 --> 00:31:55,169 along so this is a work in progress and 762 00:31:59,630 --> 00:31:57,029 again my point has been to make a 763 00:32:05,090 --> 00:31:59,640 distinction between the basic questions 764 00:32:07,899 --> 00:32:05,100 all beautiful but let's move on let's 765 00:32:11,450 --> 00:32:07,909 start to apply this stuff it's a 766 00:32:12,590 --> 00:32:11,460 ridiculous question does healing happen 767 00:32:16,519 --> 00:32:12,600 give me a break 768 00:32:18,139 --> 00:32:16,529 that's just not interesting the basic 769 00:32:20,899 --> 00:32:18,149 questions behind how it happens are 770 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:20,909 interesting and the applications of it 771 00:32:25,340 --> 00:32:23,250 are interesting but if there are critics 772 00:32:30,260 --> 00:32:25,350 back there go well I'm not sure about 773 00:32:31,639 --> 00:32:30,270 healing well then they're idiots I mean 774 00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:31,649 this would be like saying we need one 775 00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:34,320 more remote viewing study to see whether 776 00:32:37,820 --> 00:32:35,940 or not there's such a thing can 777 00:32:40,039 --> 00:32:37,830 consciousness affect random number 778 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,049 generators well we only got thirty years 779 00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:42,720 at Princeton I think it's the 31st year 780 00:32:46,519 --> 00:32:44,610 that would convince me you know I mean 781 00:32:48,710 --> 00:32:46,529 it really sounds silly so if there's a 782 00:32:52,330 --> 00:32:48,720 critic back there goes I wonder if 783 00:32:58,370 --> 00:32:52,340 consciousness cannot get away from me 784 00:32:59,299 --> 00:32:58,380 enough already folks psy exists let's 785 00:33:00,790 --> 00:32:59,309 move on to the more interesting 786 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:00,800 questions 787 00:33:06,460 --> 00:33:03,890 healing exists let's move on to the more 788 00:33:11,650 --> 00:33:06,470 interesting questions in this particular 789 00:33:14,140 --> 00:33:11,660 case I got half of me I think I'm 790 00:33:16,630 --> 00:33:14,150 bipolar I got half of me who's very 791 00:33:18,340 --> 00:33:16,640 interested in the basic questions but 792 00:33:28,169 --> 00:33:18,350 what the hell maybe we can make a healer 793 00:33:35,379 --> 00:33:30,759 don't take it 794 00:33:41,109 --> 00:33:35,389 I don't believe get away from me 795 00:33:42,639 --> 00:33:41,119 the I acknowledge funders I think in the 796 00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:42,649 future it'll also be the Institute for 797 00:33:47,079 --> 00:33:44,809 venture science but right now emerald 798 00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:47,089 gate Charitable Trust is funding the 799 00:33:58,029 --> 00:33:49,849 project we're working on here and I 800 00:34:00,609 --> 00:33:58,039 thank you for your attention I think you 801 00:34:03,279 --> 00:34:00,619 know some of the questions and if there 802 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:03,289 are questions about the Giz my then I'm 803 00:34:06,669 --> 00:34:04,940 going to deflect that and then Dean will 804 00:34:10,359 --> 00:34:06,679 handle those but just in terms of the 805 00:34:12,309 --> 00:34:10,369 plot got and give me a hard time Doug 806 00:34:16,359 --> 00:34:12,319 okay I'm gonna start I admire your work 807 00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:16,369 but listen there's a rich history of 808 00:34:21,430 --> 00:34:18,710 international healing for humans and I'm 809 00:34:23,829 --> 00:34:21,440 gonna make the point heal humans are 810 00:34:25,809 --> 00:34:23,839 much more complex I have no good friend 811 00:34:28,149 --> 00:34:25,819 who's a spiritual healer we could use 812 00:34:30,069 --> 00:34:28,159 that term and he's had 30 years 813 00:34:32,319 --> 00:34:30,079 experience and it's much more 814 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:32,329 complicated with humans I'll give you 815 00:34:36,849 --> 00:34:34,970 one example and I've done some of this 816 00:34:39,099 --> 00:34:36,859 myself you can create instantaneous 817 00:34:41,980 --> 00:34:39,109 healings for most people they don't last 818 00:34:43,990 --> 00:34:41,990 you need to do something over 20 or 30 819 00:34:45,549 --> 00:34:44,000 days something like that to get the 820 00:34:47,230 --> 00:34:45,559 intentionality because there's lots of 821 00:34:49,779 --> 00:34:47,240 other stuff going on in their own 822 00:34:51,849 --> 00:34:49,789 creating this okay if say affecting the 823 00:34:53,859 --> 00:34:51,859 field and I think if you're going to go 824 00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:53,869 forward you got to get working with some 825 00:34:58,150 --> 00:34:55,490 of the people there was a rich history 826 00:34:59,680 --> 00:34:58,160 and intentional healing what works and 827 00:35:01,569 --> 00:34:59,690 what doesn't work and I could hook you 828 00:35:04,329 --> 00:35:01,579 up the guy has 30 years experience there 829 00:35:06,039 --> 00:35:04,339 was a really interesting question and 830 00:35:08,140 --> 00:35:06,049 there's a lot of men there and then you 831 00:35:09,609 --> 00:35:08,150 don't so you keep it going but a really 832 00:35:11,799 --> 00:35:09,619 interesting question that I'm not aware 833 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:11,809 of any studies on is comparative healing 834 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:15,410 so for example my technique and I'm 835 00:35:19,510 --> 00:35:17,450 ducking what it is I'm not hiding it I 836 00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:19,520 just don't have time my technique does 837 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:23,299 XY and Z and other techniques don't but 838 00:35:28,359 --> 00:35:26,210 they're better at a B and C so why is 839 00:35:30,579 --> 00:35:28,369 Healing Touch able to do this and I 840 00:35:32,529 --> 00:35:30,589 can't why can I do this but Reiki can't 841 00:35:35,370 --> 00:35:32,539 these are really interesting questions 842 00:35:37,870 --> 00:35:35,380 if we get the protocol here though 843 00:35:40,060 --> 00:35:37,880 imagine my stuff seems to work very 844 00:35:42,550 --> 00:35:40,070 strongly on cancer I don't know why 845 00:35:44,020 --> 00:35:42,560 it'll also work and do Alzheimers it'll 846 00:35:45,940 --> 00:35:44,030 also work it and I can give you a list 847 00:35:47,170 --> 00:35:45,950 of things it'll do I can also give you a 848 00:35:49,690 --> 00:35:47,180 list of things that it doesn't seem to 849 00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:49,700 do but maybe other techniques will do it 850 00:35:53,350 --> 00:35:51,290 and if we can get the protocol down and 851 00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:53,360 we can store the stuff maybe the 852 00:36:01,570 --> 00:35:58,090 application will be you take the stored 853 00:36:06,810 --> 00:36:01,580 Reiki for this take the stored for that 854 00:36:14,410 --> 00:36:10,870 get the pawn go thank you Bill 855 00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,420 the slides showing the breast cancer is 856 00:36:18,940 --> 00:36:16,400 that your work you know where that was 857 00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:18,950 healed with intention yeah I did I 858 00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:20,780 started clinically out of curiosity 859 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:23,510 tried to disprove this I'm a skeptic 860 00:36:28,900 --> 00:36:26,630 okay I can't make the data stop and and 861 00:36:31,510 --> 00:36:28,910 so did so I I come from this skeptically 862 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:31,520 and so I started out and I didn't go to 863 00:36:36,970 --> 00:36:34,160 mice until I had done several hundred 864 00:36:40,630 --> 00:36:36,980 humans so so several hundred years who I 865 00:36:42,370 --> 00:36:40,640 agree are more difficult but after 866 00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:42,380 several hundred humans who went to into 867 00:36:45,580 --> 00:36:43,850 the lamp to try to figure out what is 868 00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:45,590 this stuff because it doesn't make any 869 00:36:49,270 --> 00:36:47,030 sense and I don't believe it I 870 00:36:52,120 --> 00:36:49,280 experience it bill is that person still 871 00:36:54,490 --> 00:36:52,130 alive and what would stop them from at 872 00:36:56,110 --> 00:36:54,500 home taking a sample from themselves and 873 00:36:58,930 --> 00:36:56,120 injecting it into somebody who needed 874 00:37:02,770 --> 00:36:58,940 healing well what would stop them from 875 00:37:05,020 --> 00:37:02,780 doing that is probably sanity but it but 876 00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:05,030 as far as I'm aware and the problem with 877 00:37:09,130 --> 00:37:06,350 people is that there's a file drawer a 878 00:37:10,870 --> 00:37:09,140 problem but as far as I'm aware I mean 879 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:10,880 in 35 years no one has ever gotten 880 00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:13,850 anything back whether you could just 881 00:37:18,790 --> 00:37:16,490 start a lock on the line of ejections I 882 00:37:21,730 --> 00:37:18,800 don't know but but that goes to will 883 00:37:24,100 --> 00:37:21,740 then you got the FDA as opposed to what 884 00:37:27,460 --> 00:37:24,110 if I hear the app you can't control the 885 00:37:29,790 --> 00:37:27,470 app again I'm not trying to fix people 886 00:37:32,830 --> 00:37:29,800 I'm trying to undermine an industry I 887 00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:32,840 really like that idea of getting around 888 00:37:37,150 --> 00:37:34,940 the FDA by not using a compound not 889 00:37:40,810 --> 00:37:37,160 using a device so it doesn't require any 890 00:37:42,970 --> 00:37:40,820 approval so good job there it hasn't 891 00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:42,980 worked yet but thank you in anticipation 892 00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:46,460 yes yeah so there's dozens of drugs on 893 00:37:49,630 --> 00:37:47,930 the market that they don't know how they 894 00:37:52,510 --> 00:37:49,640 work but they keep selling and they so 895 00:37:53,870 --> 00:37:52,520 are in our medical culture we don't know 896 00:37:56,060 --> 00:37:53,880 we don't need to know how 897 00:37:58,040 --> 00:37:56,070 something works too no but you have to 898 00:38:00,890 --> 00:37:58,050 get through certain hoops and you'll see 899 00:38:02,390 --> 00:38:00,900 again and that John McMichael stuff is 900 00:38:04,820 --> 00:38:02,400 astonishing but they're still working 901 00:38:06,020 --> 00:38:04,830 out what's the mechanism of action does 902 00:38:07,190 --> 00:38:06,030 this stuff work it's not an interesting 903 00:38:10,670 --> 00:38:07,200 question anymore 904 00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:10,680 and it's been demonstrated that animal 905 00:38:15,110 --> 00:38:12,630 models are not representative or not 906 00:38:16,820 --> 00:38:15,120 good models so what's the word you like 907 00:38:19,340 --> 00:38:16,830 you don't like entangled what's the word 908 00:38:22,370 --> 00:38:19,350 you use I use resonance resonance so 909 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:22,380 think about what kind of results you 910 00:38:27,860 --> 00:38:25,650 might see if you're healing didn't have 911 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:27,870 resonance with the the slaughter of all 912 00:38:31,820 --> 00:38:29,490 of these mice when it's no absolutely 913 00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:31,830 yes and and the mice work is horrible I 914 00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:34,530 agree and and we try as quickly and as 915 00:38:38,390 --> 00:38:37,290 fast and as little as you can do you try 916 00:38:40,790 --> 00:38:38,400 to get out of that stuff 917 00:38:42,620 --> 00:38:40,800 I completely agree yet so I'm not 918 00:38:45,290 --> 00:38:42,630 advocating this I'm saying I don't have 919 00:38:49,329 --> 00:38:45,300 a plan B I mean I try it you know if we 920 00:38:55,249 --> 00:38:52,670 sorry yes bill this wonderful research 921 00:38:57,170 --> 00:38:55,259 and it's I'm really happy to see that 922 00:38:59,720 --> 00:38:57,180 you're pursuing this I just had a 923 00:39:02,239 --> 00:38:59,730 question are you going to be testing the 924 00:39:04,609 --> 00:39:02,249 the recordings you know using analog 925 00:39:06,319 --> 00:39:04,619 recorders as well as digital because 926 00:39:08,210 --> 00:39:06,329 there may be some things that analogs 927 00:39:10,460 --> 00:39:08,220 will pick up that digital screens 928 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:10,470 recordings or Dean's recordings are 929 00:39:14,989 --> 00:39:13,650 digital but we have the the idea and 930 00:39:16,789 --> 00:39:14,999 we've kicked around the idea of analog 931 00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:16,799 and I may be doing some different kinds 932 00:39:20,450 --> 00:39:18,930 of recordings reasonably soon just 933 00:39:22,730 --> 00:39:20,460 trying to you know I don't know how 934 00:39:26,829 --> 00:39:22,740 what's going to work and do it digital 935 00:39:30,140 --> 00:39:26,839 and analog and I we don't know but yes I 936 00:39:32,809 --> 00:39:30,150 dr. Benson would use doctor in the 937 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:32,819 ss-sorry session yes bill what you're 938 00:39:35,870 --> 00:39:34,650 doing is so important and phenomenal I 939 00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:35,880 just don't quite understand why 940 00:39:39,950 --> 00:39:38,069 everybody isn't studying you and your 941 00:39:43,430 --> 00:39:39,960 work well I'm not interested in being in 942 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:43,440 that scene I'd rather be the 943 00:39:49,880 --> 00:39:46,170 investigator oh yeah I just have two 944 00:39:52,519 --> 00:39:49,890 questions one when you when you have a 945 00:39:54,890 --> 00:39:52,529 healed Mouse and you inject something to 946 00:39:57,620 --> 00:39:54,900 an unhealed or untreated mouse is it 947 00:39:59,539 --> 00:39:57,630 blood or is it tissue cells that you're 948 00:40:01,400 --> 00:39:59,549 inject either either one yeah 949 00:40:03,049 --> 00:40:01,410 so anything you inject you don't know 950 00:40:08,359 --> 00:40:03,059 about anything but we've done cells as 951 00:40:10,819 --> 00:40:08,369 well second question when you the idea 952 00:40:13,670 --> 00:40:10,829 that the mouse is once treated is then 953 00:40:16,640 --> 00:40:13,680 or cured is then has lifelong immunity 954 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:16,650 is incredible and is it immunity to that 955 00:40:21,049 --> 00:40:19,410 particular same time no okay the other 956 00:40:23,690 --> 00:40:21,059 good the question I have a whole scroll 957 00:40:25,940 --> 00:40:23,700 of basic questions I'm going to ask and 958 00:40:28,729 --> 00:40:25,950 and and one of them is is the immunity 959 00:40:32,150 --> 00:40:28,739 cross cancers but I don't have that done 960 00:40:33,620 --> 00:40:32,160 yet but that's up there very high up on 961 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:33,630 the want to do list so if you've been 962 00:40:39,229 --> 00:40:36,210 fixed a breast cancer can you get the 963 00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:39,239 other kind of cancer don't know ah this 964 00:40:42,829 --> 00:40:40,890 is also partially an answer to the 965 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:42,839 previous question of why isn't everybody 966 00:40:48,099 --> 00:40:45,960 studying this as some people know I'm 967 00:40:52,549 --> 00:40:48,109 now working at the Kentucky cancer 968 00:40:54,589 --> 00:40:52,559 registry and my my bosses are mainstream 969 00:40:57,259 --> 00:40:54,599 cancer researchers I've tried talking to 970 00:40:59,089 --> 00:40:57,269 them about SSE stuff and they're 971 00:41:00,859 --> 00:40:59,099 completely uninterested in anything that 972 00:41:01,990 --> 00:41:00,869 hasn't been replicated in peer-reviewed 973 00:41:04,260 --> 00:41:02,000 journals 974 00:41:07,420 --> 00:41:04,270 and of course you've done a lot of 975 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:07,430 presentations at the SSC presentations 976 00:41:12,220 --> 00:41:09,170 that these conferences aren't 977 00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:12,230 peer-reviewed I've I'm what aware of one 978 00:41:15,940 --> 00:41:14,210 article in the JSC which is 979 00:41:18,460 --> 00:41:15,950 peer-reviewed but isn't Arab Liam 980 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:18,470 pressive to medical researchers and I 981 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:20,450 believe you've got one article in 982 00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:22,130 Explorer which I don't remember whether 983 00:41:27,910 --> 00:41:26,330 Explorer is peer-reviewed or not so also 984 00:41:29,830 --> 00:41:27,920 alternative and complementary medicine 985 00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:29,840 so there's more than probably you're 986 00:41:36,550 --> 00:41:34,400 aware of yes there is more than I'm 987 00:41:39,190 --> 00:41:36,560 aware of and I'm grateful that you've 988 00:41:40,930 --> 00:41:39,200 got more peer-reviewed publications I'd 989 00:41:46,620 --> 00:41:40,940 like to get a list from you yep yep 990 00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:46,630 about a dozen I'm first of all amazed 991 00:41:53,490 --> 00:41:50,450 I'd like to ask you if if in your if in 992 00:41:57,360 --> 00:41:53,500 your work you've attempted to have a 993 00:42:02,110 --> 00:41:57,370 someone who had a human who had cancer 994 00:42:04,660 --> 00:42:02,120 apply your technique to a mouse and then 995 00:42:06,910 --> 00:42:04,670 there could be an assumption that some 996 00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:06,920 of the people that you had getting 997 00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:08,570 successful results might have had 998 00:42:12,850 --> 00:42:11,000 undiagnosed cancers I wonder if you have 999 00:42:17,500 --> 00:42:12,860 addressed I've never never done anything 1000 00:42:20,500 --> 00:42:17,510 like that have people who have looked 1001 00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:20,510 there certainly people who have had used 1002 00:42:25,090 --> 00:42:22,390 to have cancer learn my technique 1003 00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:25,100 because I very much encourage with 1004 00:42:29,170 --> 00:42:26,570 people if you're going to do this that 1005 00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:29,180 do it yourself you don't need you don't 1006 00:42:33,220 --> 00:42:31,010 need me and you need to be a participant 1007 00:42:36,100 --> 00:42:33,230 in the process but I don't know whether 1008 00:42:40,540 --> 00:42:36,110 that changes their treatment of some 1009 00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:40,550 something else that I don't know if you 1010 00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:44,240 used a cancer patient on a healthy Mouse 1011 00:42:49,330 --> 00:42:47,450 right would that induce what if you 1012 00:42:53,530 --> 00:42:49,340 didn't get a healing from a cancer 1013 00:42:56,110 --> 00:42:53,540 patient yeah into the mouse that was do 1014 00:42:59,050 --> 00:42:56,120 I are you asking can you store the the 1015 00:43:01,150 --> 00:42:59,060 bad stuff and transmit it yeah I don't 1016 00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:01,160 have any formal experiment I would be 1017 00:43:05,530 --> 00:43:02,690 willing to bet the ranch the answer's no 1018 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:05,540 that you'd be fine yeah yeah I don't 1019 00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:09,110 think healing no matter you can be the 1020 00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:10,700 people in my experiments can come into 1021 00:43:14,980 --> 00:43:13,100 the I mean there's a huge range of 1022 00:43:15,700 --> 00:43:14,990 people who have done this and some of 1023 00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:15,710 them 1024 00:43:20,530 --> 00:43:19,490 difficulty with believers but but I none 1025 00:43:22,180 --> 00:43:20,540 of them believed none of them have any 1026 00:43:24,730 --> 00:43:22,190 experience they're essentially blank 1027 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:24,740 slates some of them are sensitive some 1028 00:43:27,579 --> 00:43:26,210 of they're not sensitive some of them 1029 00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:27,589 feel stuff when they do it some don't 1030 00:43:33,900 --> 00:43:29,450 and none of that has any do with healing 1031 00:43:37,240 --> 00:43:33,910 efficacy none of those things matter and 1032 00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:37,250 sometimes they don't they're sick people 1033 00:43:41,470 --> 00:43:39,320 get sick I don't think it affects their 1034 00:43:43,420 --> 00:43:41,480 treatment at all in fact if anything I 1035 00:43:45,160 --> 00:43:43,430 think probably treating someone when 1036 00:43:50,349 --> 00:43:45,170 you're sick will be beneficial to you 1037 00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:50,359 thank you Bill thank you Bill and just 1038 00:43:54,130 --> 00:43:52,040 before you leave I would like to give 1039 00:43:56,829 --> 00:43:54,140 you one caution dating back to the 20s 1040 00:43:58,720 --> 00:43:56,839 there was a guy prosecuted for having